The long awaited Fujifilm X-T5 is here! Does this camera manage to satisfy many photographer's desire for more tactile controls alongside the latest camera technology? Chris Niccolls and Jordan Drake have been shooting with a pre-production sample, and (as usual) they have some opinions.
Well it's about time someone put an APS-C sensor with more megapixels in a camera! Congratulations Fuji! You figured out people don't want to be stuck at 24 MP (or close to it) forever! Yay!
I don't feel the need for more than 24mp actually. When I entered photography (quite young) you could only get 24mp from medium format cameras and we didn't really needed it then nor now that I do print design as well. You can actually get by 99% of the time with 12 mp images.
Unless you print really large *and* then inspect your massive print at arm's length, you'll never need that many MP. Most high-res monitors, where most people look at their photos are 16MP. I'd rather have 24MP that are low noise, produce managably small files and make the camera overall more responsive and faster, but I get it in terms of market, because clearly even in 2022, the mega pixel race is not dead, sigh.
It looks to me like theyโve done all the right things with this camera. The right size, the right weight, the right screen, the best controls, and it looks the part as well.
Looks like a great cam! Interesting that whilst changing the ISO, there's still a risk of changing the drive-mode by accident. This was already the case on my X-T1; unfortunate that this has not been addressed in the meantime.
It happened on severa l occasions to me, when I changed ISO that I suddenly was in double exposure or some other unwanted mode. Maybe there's some variation in how loose the lower dial is?
@technotic: iq out of a7riii is great and that is one of the reasons why i will hold on to it for some time, but until these two releases i did not see a camera i would aspire to own (save for leica m11). i had x-h1 before the a7riii and i still have a lot of love for it. there is a number of features of x-h1 i wish the a7riii had, like better ibis, 2-axis tilt screen, more dampened mechanical shutter, 15 minutes exposure in camera,... i also liked the analogue controls a lot (as well as the display, which the x-t5 doesn't have). i don't care about high end video features and fully articulating screen which has become a standard solution for hybrid bodies. i am glad that manufacturers are releasing bodies which focus on photography and x-t5 is a camera i can imagine in my bag some day.
I've dedicated my bank account to canon and olympus, and, admittedly, this is the first Fujifilm camera I'm truly envious of. Bristling with controls is the way I like my cameras so I can easily adapt them to my tastes - this is one crazy great-looking camera from that point of view. Count on Chris and Jordan to entertain and inform us so well.
M6ii DPReviewTV: 32MP isn't a big deal, because a lot of glass can't support it. X-T5 DPReviewTV: It's fine if your lenses can't resolve 40MP, because we grade Fuji on a curve.
Canon doesn't get a pass due to not having many great EF-M lenses. On the other hand, Fuji has a lot of great lenses for their system, so even one that don't fully resolve can still give you more detail and are very good lenses.
With EF-M, you have the 32mm, the Sigma lenses, but nothing else standing out is there?
If Fujifilm tried to satisfy hybrid video shooters too, by enabling direct recording through USB-C on SSD they would have hit a home-run. It would provide a serious motivation for videographers to overcome the screen lacking articulation, double SD slots, micro HDMI etc.
It would even allow for 8K recording to be enabled, so if Fujifilm can add this feature througn firmware, they should go ahead and offer it asap even at the expense of audio monitoring due to the loss of a headphone output through the use of a USB-C adapter.
I moved from FF because even though I had an A7Rii for several years, I couldn't justify $4000-6000 for lenses. The total package for a more portable system was just more enabling price wise. I miss the resolution and DR, but can afford much better lenses now which are vastly superior for the money.
I have the same issue with the ISO dial with my T3. I constantly move it between S / CH / CL accidentally when changing ISO.
I like the tilting screen. However, I would have also loved it they had finally added the option to cover the screen against the body for protection in harsh conditions.
Also, if this is a photo oriented body, why replace the metering mode dial with a dedicated dial that switches from movie to photos mode? I wish that was moved to the mode dial instead, keeping the T3 style metering mode dial.
Fuji puts out good cameras with every upgrade. Not abandoning any features that can be included at the price point. I liked both the features of both X-H2 bodies and this one as well.
Good choices for anyone interested in Fuji system.
I dong get the excitement of this camera sorry. Only looking at the samples , specially when looking at the foliage of the strees in the river shot all is an ugly mush. I am sure it is the Trans sensor.
When I compare the studio shots the XT4 images when you look at the color painting tubes on the lower right compared to any bayer sensor image from any camera manufacturer you will see how bad this sensor is with detail. The letters are non readable vs perfectly readable by the bayer ones.
Sigma Foveon is the best by large but only really shining at 100 ISO. Then comes Bayer and then far far away the Trans mush.
Good that at least in the medium format the have gone the Bayer route. So many things of the XT are appealing but the sensor.....ughhhhh. And it is not only the raw conversion with certain software. When you see the JPGs you will see in the same studio shots that they are also resolving much less than the "traditional ones"
I appreciate your frank opinion. I consider you a happy man and I envy you. Here's why.
Unlike you, I like this camera, and the two X-H2 bodies. Unfortunately, I can't have every camera I like. So, I am stressed from not being able to get all the cameras I like.
Consider yourself lucky that you don't have to get this one. All the best.
I think your summary is overly dramatic, but despite loving the ergonomics and the interface, i also eventually moved away from Fuji mostly due to the sensor. But its a personal preference i guess. Lots of people are happy with it.
We test cameras, not lightroom. And in fact xtrans is inferior. Fuji even skipped the xtrans later on their "medium format" sensors. If there would be any benefit left they works continue the development.... But they didn't.
What? That's a nonsensical reply. You can't decouple the camera from the software used to develop the files from said camera.
The sensor used by Fujifilm in their MF has no relevance in this discussion, unless you have inside info on why they specifically went with a Bayer one instead of Xtrans.
I'm not even a Fuji shooter anymore but I don't hate on them by using ignorant arguments that don't hold any water.
Calm down stranger. The quote was "When you see the JPGs you will see in the same studio shots that they are also resolving much less than the "traditional ones".
Jpeg were drawn internally without fancy 3rd party tools. So the conclusion is correct. You're the one who is boiling water... We didn't speak about baking.
So you know which JPEG settings they were using then seeing as there are a ton of settings to change in regards to how the output will look?
Comparing JPEGs is absolutely pointless considering this seeing as all manufacturers cook their JPEGs differently. Not to mention that no matter the camera a JPEG from one will look like trash compared to a photo processed from a raw file.
Looks very good, especially in silver. I like the new screen and reduced weight, and I'm always ready for AF improvements. I do have mixed feelings about 40 megapixels on an APS-C sensor, however, but that's probably good for sales. I'm in no rush to replace my X-T4, so I'll wait to see what the X-Pro 4 looks like before I take my next Fujifilm upgrade.
Agree with Chris on his views about the return to tilt-out screen.
Photographers like it because when you extend it, the live view remains on sensor axis. However it looks awkward with those flimsy extension struts, and mechanically it is fragile. The flip out articulation is a much more elegant design. And you reverse the screen when not in use to prevent it scratching. If Nikon's Z cameras had the side hinged screen I would love to buy into the system.
Couldn't quite take to any of the XT series. Definitely did with the XH1. I found that the drive and metering dials especially were always very fiddly and difficult (XT1-3 versions). On top of that, Fujifilm forced you to use the aperture ring to make an aperture adjustment on the lenses that had them (on lenses that didn't you could use the command dial), and I preferred the agility to have either or on the X-H1 series (relegate that setting to a command dial) no matter what kind of lens you attached.
If the X-T5 has solved the fiddly switch/handling and aperture control issues I've laid out above, then I'd definitely check this X-T5 out. Maybe, 5th time is a charm.
Yes you can do that, but when you attach a lens with an aperture ring (a Fuji lens) it removes the ability to then keep using the command dial for aperture control. The X-H1 is the only camera I know of that kept this functionality.
I don't get why so many people think the X-H2S is (only) for videographers - just because it's good at video doesn't make it bad at photography, it is still the fastest focusing photo camera, the stacked sensor is amazing! It's also very ergonomic to use for photography, still has dials where it counts and is hugely customisable. Not saying it works for everyone, but certainly action photographers should not dismiss the X-H2S just because it's also got good video features (which I couldn't care less for).
While I've been skeptical of Fuji's value proposition in the past, the steady upward price march of lower-tier FF bodies like the A7IV and R6ii and the addition of Sigma and Tamron zooms to XF mount have given the X-T5 a more viable niche than existed in years prior.
The S5 is sold at a similar price, but is on a mount with questionable longevity; the RP and A7C are stripped down compared to an X-T5. My guess is that the big 3 brands want to keep margins up and would rather not release full-featured bodies around $1,700-to-1,800.
@BrentSchumer: A mount with questionable longevity? Why that? Are you seriously expecting Fujifilm going out of business? Why would they? I donโt get itโฆ Actually with Sigma, Tamron and others now jumping on the X Mount (if sometimes at a low speed) I would argue that the X Mount is quite healthyโฆ
Brent said """"The S5 is sold at a similar price, but is on a mount with questionable longevity """" meaning the L mount ,. not Fuji ..
I've no idea about longevity but the L mount is looking very "Betamax" with panasonic still stuck at the 1st gen stage with their cameras, no new lenses from them either and Sigma not bothering to even convert all those excellent DSLR ART series lenses to L mount .......
AdamT -- stop spreading this s***t from one post to another.
1. Panasonic just released new 18 mm lens, less than month ago 2. There are 2 others manufactures besides them on L mount 3. L mount has more lenses than RF or Z mount already
I agree. L mount is likely to outlive us all, considering it is Leica's newest mount, and Leica has invested heavily in it, with not only a number of cameras, but a slew of lenses too. Add to that the fact that the World's greatest electronics giant, Panasonic (far more employees than Sony or Canon), has chosen L mount as their full-frame mount, and Sigma, a company that has been making digital cameras for twenty years, gradually increasing their presence in the world of digital cameras, has chosen it as their mirrorless mount too, I don't see how a sane person could actually think L mount might not have "longevity" (whatever they mean by that). Unless Leica, Sigma, and Panasonic all stop making interchangeabke lens cameras, photographers with L mount equipment will continue to be served.
Is the new sensor really worth it? While it's nice it adds a lower base ISO, a higher maximum shutter speed (in ES mode) and a multi-shot mode, it takes away from the sensor readout speed and video specs. It seems like 24/26 mp is the sweet spot for APS-C.
Wellโฆ.a lot to be said here: 24 MPix seems to be a sweet spot, yes, but not for APSC, just for your needs. And make no mistake: I am in the same boat, I like to print big, I still donโt feel the need for more than 24 Mpix. Heck, if I look back at the photos of my very old 6 Mpix Canon EOS I am still amazed how gokd they print big (as long as you donโt use ISO values higher than 400โฆ). But that is not at all the point. 40 Mpix are needed in some applications to start with and 24 Mpix is by no means a sweet spot for APSC in general. And the other issue - the times that I bought a new camera just because of a new sensor and better resolution are long over. Now I look at design, features, durability, eco system and so on. That way the T5 seems to be a winner, despite the pixel count
But 10 years ago each sensor generation provided clear and noticeable benefits in all areas with no costs (other than larger files). Today, the X-T5 provides you a 20% resolution increase which comes at the cost of worse ES compared to earlier (26 mp) cameras provided and cropped/line skipped video.
If it's a good sensor, of course it's worth it. Higher resolution is better. Not a perfect analogy but it's like arguing against buying a car with 300hp because there are speed limits and no one needs a car that fast. Tell that to a real car enthusiast.
You guys have done a great job, for real. Thatโs a lot of videos to churn out in such a small window. Kind of the opposite problem to when there was that shortage-fuelled release lull.
40MP APS-C gives nice freedom from artifacts, but I'm not seeing 40MP worth of resolution anywhere -- which isn't surprising. Still, it doesn't seem like the higher pixel density has cost significant loss of SNR or DR. We'll just have to see with the production version tests...
Depending on lenses. The sample gallery images in the X-H2 review taken with the mark II version of the 56 F1.2 (that's the one with "WR" in the name, not just "R") showed a solid 40MP worth of detail.
In this gallery, look for images taken with the 18mm F1.4 and 50-140 (when not suffering from camera shake or defocus) to see what the resolution is capable of.
DrewRick: 40MP APS-C is 3um pixels. That would mean the lens would have to resolve at least 165 line pairs per mm. Let me assure you that virtually none do. Out of my 250+ lenses, only a few come close to getting 24MP from APS-C -- the DxO tests of APS-C lenses top out around 19MP.
Of course, a higher sampling rate reduces artifacting and even 40MP is still well below a Nyquist sampling for good lenses. In other words, 40MP APS-C is still a reasonable thing and reasonably could go higher, but expecting higher resolution is going to lead to disappointment.
pixel shift shots have shown APS-C lenses capable of resolving a lot higher than 40mp. I don't think this is particularly valid.
and this pixel density is the same as FF 60mp which rarely gets the same criticism.
This is a lot closer to the resolution limit of the lenses but no, I don't think 40mp is beyond the capabilities of APS-C. We get 8K from phone sensors let alone APS-C.
@mosc You seem to be assuming that full frame sensors are 1.5 times the size of APS-C sensors. In fact they are 1.5 times as wide and 1.5 times as high (roughly), giving an area 2.25 times as large. Thus you would get the same pixel density on a 90 megapixel full frame camera.
As long as you get more signal than noise, there is detail, i.e. the transfer function can be a lot less than one and there is still information. Nobody said you can perfectly image full black to full white transitions for every neighboring pixel pair. Given color filters arrays, that would be a misguided goal anyway.
DrewRick: If by "transfer function" you mean MTF contrast ratio, it is true that lenses do tend to have higher resolution measuring at a lower contrast ratio, but not all that much higher (the gain is particularly small for many AF lenses, which tend to suffer poorer alignment than the best manual lenses).
Again, Nyquist says you need 2X sample rate in each dimension and in the worst case the Bayer filter multiplies that by another 2X in each dimension. In other words, a 40MP sensor is only certain to accurately recover 40/(2*2*2*2)=5 MP of lens-projected detail without artifacts! However, very few APS-C lenses resolve 20MP of scene content and in practice, modern demosaicing algorithms (which do cheat in various ways) using a typical 24MP sensor can recover about 20MP of credible detail. Unfortunately, credible != correct. Thus, smaller pixels and pixel shift past 24MP APS-C typically don't increase resolution, but there are fewer artifacts -- fewer credible, but wrong, guesses.
In other news, what you seem to get so excited about is your own private definition of what megapixels means. By your definition, we need to change the label on every digital camera in existence, except perhaps monochrome ones.
All I was saying is that the mark II WR primes deliver detail we expect to come out of a real-world 40mp camera. No need to spin your own private bro science around that statement with the goal of contradicting it because someone on the internet called you out on saying something in your original post that wasn't as smart as you think you are.
DrewRick: You're being very sloppy (as well as obnoxious). TF does NOT stand for contrast ratio (MTF is measuring line pairs per unit distance, not contrast ratio), pixel count is NOT resolution, etc. I've actually measured LOTs of MTFs (usually using MTFMapper), and my measurements are in good agreement with DxO's (which use Imatest). As a professor, I often fall into trying to teach... but not everybody wants to learn...
It's hard to believe people actually think there will be no more detail in photos shot with the best lenses, when there are a bunch more megapixels. I don't think we'll stop seeing more detail in test shots until the sensors hit 100 MP at least, and then they'll upgrade to a new lens, like the Sigma 105mm f2.8 Art macro.
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